Gimo Baram is the leader and founder of Zwarte Piet is Zwart, an anti-globalist, anti-mass migration party aiming to return the Netherlands to a place of tradition and community, and defend the country against ‘climate mass-hysteria.’ He talked to The European Conservative about the divisions in Dutch society, the problems with uniting the Right, and his views on the BBB and COVID-19.
Your position as a part of the political opposition who stands against mass immigration into the Netherlands and in support of the traditional Dutch culture is rather unexpected, given the fact that you came from Kurdistan in 1993. How do you reconcile this with your current political positions?
In the Netherlands, we had a population of 13 million people in 1973. We are now in 2023, and after fifty years of open-borders policies by all the establishment parties, we are close to 19—one nine—nineteen million. So an increase by the open-borders policy of 6 million in the last fifty years. These immigrants almost all have gotten the Dutch residency and the Dutch passport, and they are eligible to vote in the elections, in the local elections, in the provincial elections, and in the national elections. And as you understand, this population increase does have a direct effect on all the elections.
These immigrants are not going to vote for the nationalist parties. They are going to vote for the globalist open-borders parties, because these parties have made it possible for them to live in the Netherlands and to have Dutch citizenship. That is one part of the situation.
At the same time, they are injecting the population with needles. In the last three years, more than 90% of the Dutch population have been injected with substances that are not known. We don’t know what is in the needles. And we don’t know the side effects of these needles in the middle- and long-term, what these injections will create in the bodies of the injected population.
So I would like your readers to put these two facts together. In the news media, the highest degree of extra deaths occurred in the normal population as a result of the possibilities from these injections.
So, you’re saying the Netherlands has had the most excess deaths?
No, excess deaths from the start in 2022 are the highest in the Netherlands. These are known facts in the media, the national media in the last fifty years. The highest excess deaths in the Netherlands’ history of the last fifty years.
We have skyrocketing cancer rates. We have skyrocketing myocarditis rates. Myocarditis is, I am not a medical person, but it’s a…
It is heart damage. It is the inflammation of the heart muscle.
Yes, yes, yes. And the Dutch cabinet, at the same time that we have skyrocketing myocarditis rates, have decided to close two of the three children’s heart clinics in the Netherlands because they say that we have budget issues. But at the same time, in the last year, there was enough money to receive 400,000 new immigrants.
So, what do you think are the main causes of so much disdain among not only many of the Dutch, but most Western Europeans in general, for their indigenous culture? Why aren’t Western Europeans proud of their traditions, identity, and history any longer? And why don’t they want to defend them? What do you think has happened?
If we look at it from the Dutch point of view, I think the main reason is that [since] Napoleon was in the Netherlands in 1813, till now, for over two hundred years, there is a constant situation where there is one establishment. This establishment has had time for more than two hundred years to change the behavior of the population and to also indoctrinate, especially the last fifty years, with their globalist point of view. And they have been very successful at it.
I will give you an example from the last two elections here in the Netherlands. The first election was in March of last year for the local election. After two years of being confined at home, in the local elections, about 60% or 70% of the population voted for the same political establishment parties.
It’s insane.
Yes, this lockdown for two years did not affect their voting pattern at all.
Yeah, why is that?
Because you have at the moment a clear divide in the Dutch population. You have 50% of the population who is having the good life,—they have good jobs, good salaries, their children have good education, have a bright future—and you have 50% of the population, most of them are working, but they are part of the new class, they are part of the working poor.
This 50% of the population, with the working poor, don’t have a hope for the future, and most of them are not voting. Because even if they vote, let’s say for a nationalist party, this nationalist party is not allowed to govern, even in a coalition. And time after time, if they vote for a nationalist right party, like the Party for Freedom, of Geert Wilders, or if they vote for a nationalist left party, like the socialist party, these two parties are not allowed to govern. So they become cynical as they hope for the future.
And the 50% of the population who has a good life—the establishment has been able to change their minds, starting in the 1980s, and gave them a high degree of individualism. This individualism has created in this population the sense that they are not a part of a country, they are not a part of a people, that they are individuals living in their own bubbles.
As long as the changes do not affect their own family, their personal bubble, they will not vote for a change. As long as they have a good income; as long as their stocks in the stock exchange go up; as long as their housing prices go up; as long as they have a newer Tesla than their neighbour, they totally don’t care what is going on in the country.
There was a research paper made in all Europe where they asked the population which population was most open to fighting for their country if their country was invaded by a foreign power. Turkey was the country with the highest degree of the population who was prepared to fight for their own country. And the Netherlands was the population with the lowest [percentage of people] prepared to fight for their country. This is the result of the two hundred years of the same establishment, especially the last fifty years, of globalist indoctrination.
Let’s switch to the war in Ukraine. You’ve been critical of the Netherlands’ support for Ukraine in its current conflict with Russia. What do you think the proper stance for your country in this war should be?
I think I look at the situation in the war in Ukraine, in Russia, from a different point of view. I think that we must stay by the facts. Both Ukraine and Russia are countries where their populations have… Aryan, European, and Christian aspects. They are Aryan, they are Christian, and they are European. And as a nationalist person, my heart bleeds at seeing two brother-countries fighting and their populations being decimated. And I’m of the opinion that the Netherlands, as they have done in the past, must have a part of it to arrange peace negotiations between these two countries to solve their problems and to stop the war as fast as possible so that no more people in these two countries get killed, get killed, and get wounded by this terrible war.
I know we covered this a little bit, but you’ve been quite sceptical of the COVID-19 vaccinations on your social media, and you’ve highlighted data that suggests it’s been harmful. What do you think the reason is that the vaccines were promoted so heavily throughout the world?
First of all, I don’t call them vaccines, I call them injections because a vaccine is something that has been tested for thirty, forty, fifty years and then is applied on the population. These injections have no track record, especially the mRNA injections. This situation is not over. Many will think, okay, that was the past, it was a difficult two, three years but now it has ended and it’s over.
Two weeks ago, the Dutch Health Authority informed the population that the mRNA injections will be included in the yearly vaccination scheme of the Netherlands. So every year, every autumn and winter, the population will be offered to be injected with these mRNA injections. To make things worse, the new yearly flu injections will be changed. Three weeks ago, the Dutch authorities informed the population that they will stop giving the old flu injections to the population and that they will start from this autumn, giving new mRNA flu injections to the population.
Before you started your own political party, you worked with the Party for Freedom in Utrecht, and you contributed to their last election program. How come you decided to leave the PVV to start your own party, and what do you think of their chances in the upcoming election?
I expect in the next four to ten years, we are going to get French and Swedish situations. What I mean is that it will be impossible for nationalist parties, as we have seen in French presidential elections, to have a majority in the local and provincial parliaments because the immigration part of the population is increasing. It becomes mathematically impossible for nationalist parties to have a majority and to rule in the government.
At the same time, many of the nationalist parties are ruled by persons who are difficult characters, of a high degree of ego, and are not capable—as I have proposed—to take part in the elections as one common list. You need one united common list to have a chance of winning the elections, but the heads of nationalist parties have a big ego, unfortunately, they are not capable of working together, and they are only focused on their own personal careers.
Yeah, I’ve noticed that about people on the right as well…
Yes. It is no more a fight between the Left and the Right. That was before. It is now a fight between the nationalist and the globalist. You have parties on the right like the liberal party of Mr. Rutte, with a program that makes it a party on the right, but it’s a globalist party, so when they come into power, they implement the globalist policies. It is a fight between the nationalist and the globalist.
Right, but how come… so you decided to leave the PVV because of ego within the party?
I worked at the provincial level as a policy officer in the province of Utrecht, all of the other high-position people decided to arrange a coup against the party leader, Geert Wilders, and I was the only one who did not want to take part in this internal coup. That was the reason why I was asked by the party at the provincial level to leave the party.
I see. What about the Dutch farmers? They’ve been particularly subjected to harassment these days due to Rutte’s government and his environmental ‘policies’, suicides among farmers arising… Do you think there’s a solution to this problem?
I think the situation is more complicated than that. I have said that 50% of the population who have a good life are living in their own bubbles. And I think the farmers’ situation is a good example of that. These farmers—and we love them, and they provide the food that we eat, and they are a great part of our population—have voted for the globalist Christian Democrat Party for the last fifty years. These farmers have not once taken part in demonstrations for workers’ rights, for employees’ rights, for environment rights, or for any other issue that has taken place in the Netherlands for the last fifty years. They have only been busy with their farms, and they have never taken part in any demonstrations against mass immigration, against anything. They have only lived in their own personal bubbles, and they have a very good life.
We are very happy that they have a very good life. They get many subsidies from the European Union, and they have great companies and they have contributed so that the Netherlands is the second biggest agricultural exporter in the world—a small country.
At the moment, the Dutch cabinet decides to close many of their farms, they wake up after sleeping for fifty years as they decide then that all the Dutch population have to support them in their struggle. After they have done nothing for the other classes of people for the last fifty years. After they have voted for the globalist Christian Democrats for all the last fifty years. This is a little bit of a context of the situation.
Now, of course, I am very happy that they have woken up. They have stopped what they have done for the last fifty years—voting for the globalist Christian Democrats. And they have voted for the farmers party of the BBB.
Do you have any hope for this BBB party? Do you have any hope that they can enact change?
There is a positive part of the BBB, and there is a negative part. As I have said before, for an opposition party, the room for manoeuvre in the Netherlands is very small. And I will start with the negative side of the BBB. The BBB has given a great wink to the globalist establishment the last two years. The first wink was not taking part in the local elections last year in the Netherlands. By not taking part in the local elections last year, they gave the possibility to the globalist Christian Democrats to win most of the seats of the local elections last year.
Wait, I was under the impression that the BBB won in the local elections.
Yeah, they won this year’s provincial elections in March. The election system here is, the biggest of the provincial parties also chooses the seats of the Dutch Senate. Not the Dutch Congress, but they are now the biggest party in the Dutch Senate, because they have been the biggest in the Dutch provincial elections of this year.
This year was the provincial elections, but last year was the local elections. In the local elections, they decided to not take part so that they can give a wink to the Christian Democratic globalist establishment party. That was the first wink.
The second wink that they gave to the establishment was this year. Yes, they take part in the provincial elections and also the Senate elections, and they become the biggest party in the Senate. But they decided to put as their first person in the Dutch Senate a candidate who was an ex-member of the globalist Liberal Party of Mr. Rutte [Caroline van der Plas, editor’s note].
That was the second wink that they gave to the establishment.
This was the person who was number one on their list?
And on the list of the BBB Farmers Party for the Senate.
Got it
The positive thing is that because of the creation of the BBB, the farmers have stopped voting for the Globalist Christian Democrats and they are voting for the BBB, and there is a possibility after the next elections in November for the Dutch Congress, the Dutch parliament, that we will not have a Globalist majority after the next elections in November.
Right. Yeah, yeah, I wrote a piece about that some time ago.
At the same time that I have asked the nationalist parties to take part in the November elections on one list and they have refused to do this, there has been a very big political cleansing of the globalist parties.
Globalist parties, in my opinion, include the globalist Christian Democrats, the globalist Liberal so-called right-wing party. I also include the Social Democrats as well as the Green Party. They are all globalist parties and there have been political cleansings of their list.
In Dutch history, you have never seen so many Congress members of all the political parties leave the Congress, leave politics, before an election. I think this is part of a globalist plan to fill the election list of the globalist parties with purely ideological 2030 globalist candidates. In the next elections in November, the Green Party and the Social Democrats will take part as one list. You have in the Social Democratic Party some persons who have an ideology for the working people, still, after they have been a globalist party for over fifty years.
So the establishment is making everything ready to have a hard-line globalist government after the next elections in November by uniting all the globalist parties, and even small globalist parties, if they are needed to have a majority after the next elections in November.
Right. Because as long as they are ideologically pure among themselves, they can form coalitions.
As long as you agree to the globalist policy of open borders, climate crisis, injecting the population with mRNA injections, as long as you agree on diversity, LGTB rights, as long as you agree with these issues, you can be a Christian party you can be a Christian Democratic party, you can be a Social Democratic person, you can be a liberal person, you can be a green person, as long as you agree with the 2030 policy, it doesn’t matter which party affiliation you have.
And one thing is very important. I have the feeling that these November elections will be the last elections that will take place in the usual way. I think that after these November elections, starting in the Netherlands, they are going to implement a new voting system. This will include electronic voting and also many things that I don’t have information on at the moment, but I think this will be the last elections that will take place in the common election manner.
And I think that they will open the borders even more. And the next election in four or five years, it will be, I think, impossible for the nationalist parties to have a majority because of the immigration population that will increase even more.
When I hear you speak, I hear a lot of the same talking points that I hear from the politicians in the Forum for Democracy. I wonder what your opinion on the Forum for Democracy is. They’re much maligned in the press, the globalist press. I wonder why you didn’t join them.
I’m a member of their party.
Forum for Democracy?
Yes. I asked them to be a candidate for the last, for this year’s, provincial elections, but the party decided in place of putting me as a candidate to put a twenty-one-year-old student with zero political experience.
I see. But otherwise, do you think their ideas are solid?
I expect after the next elections, they are already discussing it in the Dutch parliament that there will be a new election law that will make it very easy for the establishment to close down Forum for Democracy, but also other political nationalist parties.
Really?
They are already discussing a new election and party law that will make it very easy to close them down. And I expect this to take place before the third quarter of next year, because unfortunately, I expect that the situation in Ukraine will get much worse, that many more countries will take part.
I am very afraid that Poland will also take part in the fight. I expect the Baltic countries to take part in the fight. And I also expect Romania, because of Moldavia, to also take part in the fight, and that the fight will increase a lot. The killings will increase a lot. And I think that the establishment has decided that they must close the nationalist parties, because before the situation next year, the war situation will get worse and worse.
Wow. Let’s hope not.
Let’s hope not. Hopefully, hopefully, I am wrong. But the situation is very complicated on several fronts. We have the demographic changes. We have the war. And we have also the censoring that is taking place. We have seen that the mass media have been very active. In my opinion, the situation is not good at all.
